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Now thats more like it! Ahhhhh! A Real Woman in spandex |
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Me too, me too! |
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We didn't need to see that again!!! |
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I agree, what were those people thinking? Wow sex for sale. |
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Shit, and I thought we were perfect body doubles for Claudi, Cindy, Naomi and Kate. Those people were thinking let's have a bit of fun. If you didn't need to see it again why did you look at a photos thread entitled Rocket Swing Club, Casino Night - duh! Accept it for was it was, a little amusment - it's not as if it was supposed to be serious. Sheesh! Sorry, no sex for sale, you're going to have to back to your normal source (how ARE the callouses doing?) If you're going to get as personal as insulting the way I look then have the fucking balls to post your name, or say it to my face, chickenshit. Natalie |
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Stuff it Nat! |
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The Rocket once was so Rad when it was the kids place. Now it is a grand-bloody, ookie-gookie hall overrun with lindy-love bump and grind. The kids just sit on the sides now and watch with distaste; I'm surprised that the parents even let them come to be around this stuff (parents must believe it is still a teen atmosphere). Hey Margie....Get your grinding bomb squad follows off of the leads leg, and the leads tongue off of the follows neck and cleavage and I will feel more comfortable with the "Bomb Squad" presenting your version of Savoy style lindy hop to the public. Just a thought from a respected leader of your community. |
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A respected leader is a known leader, Anonymous. |
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I would blame San Diego's sex in lindy hop on Jeff Eldridge. In San Fran Damon Stone. In Chicago Chachi. Who the hell knows what happened in Ithica. In Sweden the big round butts and what was to be perceived as an african influence on that butt. |
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You betch-ya Eden! |
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Strange.....Just can not think of one move that came across as sexual in any of Frankies clips. |
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uh, dude jumping upside down, with gal's face and hand in his crotch while he shakes his legs... in Hellzapoppin! that's not sexual?! |
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RE: "strange, Just can not think .." for you, this is not strange at all! he he |
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One would think that with such high morales anonymous wouldn't be afraid of revealing their identity. As a follow I dance to the style of my lead and to the music. Some leads I dance very open with, some leads I dance closed with for certain flavours of music. The only, one, time a lead tried anything improper (which by the way was at a private party), I set the record straight, and I'm not aware of any tongues on necks or clevages (someone has a rampant imagination). Blues dancing tends to happen later in the evening, by which time any minor should be in bed if their parents are in anyway decent. If you think anything that happens at the Rocket even compares with the sexuality (not sex) rampant at teenage partied, then you either had a very sorry adolesence or it was long ago and you are deeply out of touch. It will be interesting to see who has the charater to hold off the anonymous key when posting their oh so respected opinions. I don't see how dancing the Shim Sham in a public place is going to be the downfall of morality in San Diego. |
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"ookie-gookie hall" That has to be a Wham!-dooism |
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Nat, don't overreact to the assholes on this forum, no one takes much notice of their one-liner anonymous throw-away posts unless you do. |
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Although I will make a comment on the longer-winded anonymous post: You must go to a different Rocket than I do! Last night I played one slow song, and I might have been the only one in the room to actually take my partner into the closed position. And I didn't see an opportunity to tongue her cleavage, sadly. |
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It's not the morality Nat that is the issue.....It's just the "give me a break" look of it. Dance socially as you please. Roll around on the floor in your bra in the name of "lindy Love" at "Private Parties". But when it comes to public exhibitions Pony Tail Rich and Hop Michael original Lindy Bomb ideas were true to the dance. p.s. I have no problem posting my thoughts anonymously at these here public parties. Who I am has no bearing in this discussion. |
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There are many of us who prefer to post anonymously. |
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oh my god...the visuals of that are just horrific! |
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Nobody in the lindy scene has seen me in my bra, except some of the girls, when we've changed together. It's called a bikini top, and we were all a lot more clad than the majority of women at any public beach (and at some nightclubs). So try getting your facts right before casting dispersions. I'm sure your "rolling on the floor" comments was aimed at my actions last night. I was wearing a t-shirt and trousers, so it was hardly an incitment to riot, and could not exactly be described as a bra. I don't understand what you mean by "It's just the "give me a break" look of it." I'm not familiar in Pony Tail Rich's or HopMichael's model for a lindy bomb, but would be interested in learing more. Seeing as you do not wish to reveal your identity I can't tell whether or not you saw any of us bombing PB Fest, Adams Ave Street Fair or the Point Loma Street Fair. If you did witness any of these, did they meet with your approval? If not, why not? If someone insults me, is it suprising that I might want to know who it is (this re. earlier posts). Melba, if you want horrific visuals, try Dennis in a very short dress not keeping his knees together. |
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been there. done that. didn't like it!! |
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Ooh. I have pictures of that. And pictures of the dress coming off. He he he. |
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For God's sake Eden, don't post them, you'll give our respected anonymous leaders heartattacks. |
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The Natalie You are swinging to the side of lindy called: West Coast Swing Try it, you will love it. And the clothes |
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Nat, I wasn't talking about you. Why are you bringing Dennis into this? I was talking about Ron. |
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I'm so bad with names I can't think of who you are. Didn't knwo I was doing wcs. DOn't think I've ever even seen wcs swing, so that's interesting. What is it about the clothes? Do I get to roll on the floor in my bra, 'cause that's all I'm really after. |
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You don't think the image of Dennis in drag, stripping down, would be a ray of illuminating sunshine into this drab little Anonyfest? One of these days I'll have to motivate and scan them. |
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Melba, my bad. Thought you were going in on the general tirade on the costumes. As for Dennis, on the costume front, you missed him in an extreeeeeeemly short dress on Saturday, and let's just say that everyone became real aquanted with the cut and colour of his intimate apparel. Eden has photographic evidence. What shall we start the bid at for the negatives? |
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When did this happen? |
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Face it, Krista, you actually want me to tongue YOUR cleavage. That's why you always post anti-Ron things publicly, its an repression sort of thing. You just lust after me. This explains everything. |
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A halloween party. Ron, no, stop it. I don't want that visual either, thanks. |
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I have been trying to remain removed from this thread, but have not been able to think of much else since the cow picture posted yesterday. I would not assume to speak for the other Rockettes, so I'll just post a little about how the pictures and comments have made me feel. Often times, we post our opinions about music and dance styles here on Swingorama. Some agree with what we say, and some disagree. We have heated arguments and debates about these issues, and they keep us entertained during the long, boring workday. Sometimes they even effect how we interact with people in person, but only in a few extreme cases. Ususally, say, "What a shit head." and move on, and we'll even ask our greatest cyber-opponents to dance every once in a while. The direction that this thread has taken, however, has gone past opinions of dance-related issues, and has become a personal attack on me and my physical presence. You all don't know me. I appear to be this blatantly gregarious and outgoing short chick without a care in the world. Great. My plan has worked. I am someone who, as you can tell, deals with weight and eating issues. I work out relentlessly, and yet these problems will haunt me for the rest of my life. I have accepted that, and try not to dwell on these issues, there are so many other interesting things to be doing with my time. It took a lot for me to get up in front of the crowd at the Rocket last week in that outfit. I was encouraged ENTIRELY by the thought that it was a crowd of my friends. I told myself that the majority of people would, instead of judging me for the size of my ass and the bat wings underneath my arms, would give me and the girls (and Mark) props for working past fears and doubts. Well, anonymous posters out there, congratulations! You wanted to hurt me, and you have succeeded. You say you enjoy posting anonymously, well, babe, you're lacking more confidance in yourself than I was the other night. I have started feeling sorry for you. You post anonymously because--why? You want to make hurtful, non-productive statements without suffering the consequences? Chicken Shit! I was hurt when this started, but now you seem like the real loser! You're all a bunch of loosers without a modicum of sense of humor or intelligence. Screw you guys, I'm going home. |
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I can tell by the way melba cuts her hair that she wants you ron. |
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::::vomiting::::: Well that does it. My day, my week, who knows how long this will go on...is ruined!! I can't think of anything more horrible. Please, Ron, for the sake of humanity, don't lick anything!! Kill me now. |
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Okay, you guys need to stop. |
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I was there and I'm just an ordinary out-of-towner. I was interested in the Casino Night Theme and to my surprise wow, a show of some sort. What was the purpose of such a show? Were you people practicing in front of your peers before going to a contest? It would have been categorized as a cabaret like they do in some camps or some dance contests. I was pretty amused by it, but what was the point of it all? I don't know you personally Amy, but as a woman, just ROAR!! Tracee |
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Amy - i'm with you! I think anyone who has the guts to get up in front of alot of people and perform is awesome. It's amazing how some can be so insensitive and bent on truly hurting each others feelings. (ragging on Jake's flaming Wham!-doo doesn't count, he doesn't have feelings) I, for one, am SAD i missed the performance. Hang tough, amy. Know that there are MANY of us out there that LOVE you, your dancing, and any outfit you may wear. Forget those insensitive dough heads. |
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They just really got into the Casino Night Theme. No purpose/point other than that. I liked it. |
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Amy. Just so You know I have the upmost respect for you. I am a chicken. I really wish I had the courage to do something as daring as that wonder performance. I think what you and the other ladies (and Mark) was great! If they insult your body, I think that says something is seriously wrong with them. It would be one thing to say that they found the costumes over the top or even uncalled for, but what is being said here is degrading. I also think that the people who are bitching here are a bunch of pansy-assed panty-eating wham-doo sucking facist pigs. oh yeah, and anon. you can kiss GW bush for all I care. All you rude anon chicken-shit pigs (I think we all know who I'm talking about) can go to the devil. You're a bunch of mean bitching polyester clad butcher boys. Oh by the way, can anyone here tell I'm just a little upset? I am sick of cruelty on this forum. |
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Krista, you DID ask me to dance a couple weeks back... |
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Rah Rah Jessica! |
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Hi Tracee, are you the Texan who was talking to Dan (from Houston) last night? Just trying to place you. There was absolutely no purpose to the show, other than the one you said you got - amusement. It was done on a whim (the choreography, if you can call it that, was put together the night before the show). It was kind of like thought association: Casino night - casino - Vegas (baby) - showgirls. Contest? omigod, no. We put Mark in it as a big neon flashing sign that we were not taking oursleves seriously, and neither should anyone else. Having put it all together we came up with the thought of re-vamping it (and vamping it up) for cabaret night at SONW, but it's been spoilt now. Unfortunately some people, with absolutely no regard for the personal feelings of others, felt that that made is open season on commenting (anonymously) on our various physical appearances. When was the last time these people went up to someone they didn't know on the beach and commented negatively on his/her figure? Hey I know, go up to a mall father christmas and tell him he's got a fat @rse and a tacky fake beard. |
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Amy, shame on you for assuming the person posting the cow dancing picture was a woman. I commend you for standing up to your fears! But no woman could look good, in tight spandex underware performing a lindy based routine especially, not even the thinnest. I'm sure the peer pressure of your costume designer "Gnat the exhibtionist" was sorely put to work here. Cheers for your brevity beautiful Amy. I too have love for you! |
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Oh god no! But thanks for clarifying what the show was all about. I did get the impression of a Vegas sort of thing. But I did like the big guy. |
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Thanks for insulting both Amy and myself - that I would bully her into anything against her will, and that she would cave. I didn't pressure anyone into performing (not even Mark), nor would I have done so. Bikini tops and cycling shorts, folks, can we please drop this whole fascination with spandex underwear, it's unhealthy. "Gnat the exhibitionist" - oh how hurtful, how cruel, that "G", owwee, ouch, ouch ouch (and I think I've admitted to being an exhibitionist, so I beat you on that one). When I was desinging the costumes I went on the web and looked at Vegas showgirls pictures. At best they had a thong and top, worst case they were topless. There was no way we were even going to contemplate the whole thong thing, let along the, um, other. I tried to get a showgirl look, while being properly covered (god, I spent half my childhood in ballet classes in a leotard, as did Heather). If you've got any better ideas, I'm all ears, but I don't think sewing some sequins on purdah would have had much effect, and would have severly restricted kick movements. A lindy routine? Were you actually there? There were 2 eights counts of lindy in the middle of the routine, because, quite frankly, I didn't know what else to put in there and was running out of time. You've obviously got a problem with me and my actions, but I've got a probalem with you: I think you're a facist coward, or at least that's the anonymous face you're presenting here. |
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Tracee, the "big guy" is Mark, also know as FireMark (being as he's a fireman). Ask him to dance, he's a real sweetie. |
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Ron, get over yourself. |
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I think pictures of Dennis should be posted if HE decides to post them. It was a party and we were all we loose and having a blast. I, for one, was glad to see Dennis relaxed and having a good time. He opened up to us, not the whole world. Let's keep it that way. I agree with Ron that reacting to anonymous posts is a ridiculous waste of time. Words can be powerful. It depends on who's speaking, not just what is being said. Of course, an anonymous poster is going to feel that who they are is irrelevant. That's precisely why they should be ignored. Amy, Natalie, Heather, Valorie and Mark, thanks for sharing with us! It was a blast. You're warm and wonderful. And, yeah, it was alot like a "Cabaret Night" at Swingout Northwest or something. Very fun. Again, don't let one fly ruin your picnic, especially an "anonymous" one. |
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I think Tracee and Jay T are machinations of a deviant mind. I wonder if they, too, have Wham!-doos? I think, until they can prove that they indeed don't occupy the same pair of undies, we should leave them like infants to cry themselves asleep! |
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Jeff... hehe, that's how I usually am, actually. I guess people just don't realize it. Anyways, you don't have to make it seem like I'd be scandalized. If people want to post their pictures, they're their pictures, not mine. Besides, I still don't think it was THAT bad. I mean, yeesh, I was only topless (more or less).... |
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I guess it depends on the angle of the photos! Good point, though, about the pictures. They're not yours! I just didn't want to see them get posted like some sort of retaliation. If we had a "Lindy Party Photos" section I think it could be fun. |
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As an out-of-towner, I realize my opinion is purely advisory, but I will share it all the same, since I think it needs to be said. Over the past five days, I seen a few wonderful, fun pictures of some very brave and spirited gals (and a guy) turn into vicious barbs and pictures whos only intent is to hurt. It would seem that forums like this exist primarily for the thoughtful exchange of ideas and opinions. Sometimes, controversial ideas lead to thought provoking discussion. But personal attacks and vicious comments serve only to destroy the fun of events like "Casino Night", shake the confidence of a few brave participants who were giving of themselves, and scream volumes about the cowardice and lack of character the anonymous posters possess. Everyone in San Diego is blessed to have such an active swing dance community that has many weekly events, wonderful d.j.'s, and this lively forum for discussion. Some cities don't have one of these things, much less all three. It is a shame that a small group of people who have so much good around them feel compelled to tear down the people who are actively promoting and supporting the community. Natalie, Valorie, Amy, Heather, while I have never met any of you, I am sure of this. You are all lovely women who should be commended, not criticized, admired, not attacked. You are far braver than I am for dancing for a whole room of your peers, and I guarantee you look better in Spandex than I ever will. I applaud you for your spirit and am saddened that people have so little to do that they feel the need to hurt others. I hope that people will seize the opportunity to support the other dancers in your community, both in thought and action. There is an old proverb that says "We will be known forever by the tracks we leave." I hope the tracks left here become more thoughtful, kinder, and intelligent. |
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Thank you to all the well-wishers out there. I appreciate all of your kind posts, e-mails, and phone calls last night. It's good to know who your true friends are. It's amazing how a few black and white words on a glowing computer screen can affect a person so deeply. |
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Oh, and Anon at 4:35, I NEVER assumed that the cow poster was a woman. I don't know where you got that one. I would be devistated and completely shocked if I found out it was a sister. |
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The ladies all looked great! Everybody is overrrreacting to nothin. |
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There you have it ass-kissing at its finest. |
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Now, Now, Joey That's no way to make friends! And I'm not going to let up. The San Diego Lindy Hop Society Welcomes You! Our web site is: www.angelfire.com/ca/SDLindyHop For more information and registration. You can also Email us at sdlhs@angelfire.com and ask what's happening tonight or this weekend and if we know of something one of our board members will certainly reply with the goods. So Sorry you got left out of the loop about the Dean Mora show at Neimens. p.s. - Under this Forum's thread "Events" we have posted about the Kim & David workshop that is upcoming. We are also throwing a holiday party that all are invited to. More info. on the way. |
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Ooooooo... ZING. Geez, Joey, wouldja just get over your perceptions and have fun dancing? Are you going to Clayton's tomorrow night? Ask me to dance, PLEASE. I'd ask you, but I don't know what you look like-- you, on the other hand, can take note of my picture posted above. |
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I don't think Joey (jay T) or tracee really exist. Until we know that they don't occupy the shorts of other well known instigators, or until they do something positive, like take Nancy up on her invitation, we should let them cry themselves to sleep!! |
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O2, thanks for the positive post. Hope you make it over to SD to dance sometime. It's actually a really friendly scene. I moved here from the UK about 14 months ago, and made all my SD friends when I started dancing |
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O2,But she is quite Catty in her own quiet/destructive way. Don't be fooled. |
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And you're being what, if not catty? |
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Being realistic. |
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Just drink your milk and say MEOW, Natalie... Oh, how I love anonymous insults. Insidious and cowardly, combined! |
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Ha, ha, ha. Main Entry: 2catty Function: adjective Inflected Form(s): cat·ti·er; -est Date: 1886 1 : resembling a cat; especially : slyly spiteful : MALICIOUS Main Entry: re·al·ism Pronunciation: 'rE-&-"li-z&m, 'ri-&- Function: noun Date: 1817 1 : concern for fact or reality and rejection of the impractical and visionary 2 a : a doctrine that universals exist outside the mind; specifically : the conception that an abstract term names an independent and unitary reality b : the conception that objects of sense perception or cognition exist independently of the mind -- compare NOMINALISM 3 : fidelity in art and literature to nature or to real life and to accurate representation without idealization - re·al·ist /-list/ adjective or noun - re·al·is·tic /"rE-&-'lis-tik, "ri-&-/ adjective - re·al·is·ti·cal·ly /-ti-k(&-)lE/ adverb Meeeeoooooowwww! |
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You're quite welcome, Natalie. But, before coming to San Diego, I might meet you in Austin, I hope. (that is, if you go to the ALX) |
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Yes, Main entry 2, adjective, dear girl. You have been outted, sly lady, by one of your own. Party on wench. |
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You don't even know her. Why continue this thread in this mean, degrading vein? Why so hurt by her? What has she done to you? "My name is Anonomousposter. You killed my father. Prepare to die." Party on, chickenshit! Way! |
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I have been away from the forum for a few days and just now caught up on this thread. I think I understand now about Anonymous posters how and why they post flaming remarks. I didn't really understand it until I read ones description of "pony tail" Rich's original Lindy bombing idea and how it was "true to the dance" (which by the way was not the reason he started bombing, Rich is my best friend, known him for almost 20 years, and I can tell you for certain that "being true to the dance" was not his intention. Whoever anonymous is, they are fabricating things out of thin air to support an argument they want to watch not participate in) I feel very very sorry for all of the anonymous posters who are so afraid of themselves, who they are, what their opinions mean. I've noticed that they make a comment or two then sit back and watch the reaction. There comments are never intelligent or serve any productive purpose. They refuse to engage anyone in a meaningful conversation. And yet for every destructive message they send I see many many people responding to support and stand behind there friends. Its a sad commentary but these flamers have no one..they are alone, they keep themselves outside of others friendship, they probably have no true friends at all and the only way they can engage people is to attack them. So my view on this is I think all you anonymous flamers out there should feel free to throw barbs, make rude comments, insult others, fabricate lies. It is obvious to me now you are just screaming for attention,you are so lonely you want someone to talk to you and respond to you because your to afraid to be who you are and let others know you. I put anonymous comments now in one category----they are the people out there who will never ever try anything or allow themselves to enjoy life, they are so afraid to take chances, make a mistake, be foolish, and have fun that they spend their entire life criticizing those of us who take chances and risks. They are jealous. All you Lindy'ers out there... flamers do serve a useful purpose, they bring out the best in all of us who stand behind our friends and support them. I got compliments on this string from people I don't even know, and the support I received from my friends I do know was amazing. FOR EVERYONE I KNOW WHO POSTS HERE AND WHO I SEE AT DANCES AND I CALL MY FRIENDS, DON'T LET THESE ANONY |