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SwingOrama Forum: Lindy Hop: Venting

By Dennis Hong on Monday, June 19, 2000 - 03:22 pm: Edit

Aaaargh! What is it about management/PR type people and giving you the run-around when you come up with a proposal that they're apparently not interested in? Why can't they just say they're not interested?!? Instead, they tell you that in order for the proposal to get off the ground, you'll need to get this and this set up, then do this, and take care of this, but once you get it all taken care of, then they're willing to work out a plan. Of course, as I've come to realize, they just give you the run-around because they figure there's no freaking way you'll do what they ask you to do. So when you actually do, and you bring up the proposal again, this time satisfying all their conditions, they're trapped. So then they tell you that they're not interested at this time. Freaking frustrating, man.

Anyways, some of you will know what I'm talking about. Those who don't, don't worry about it for now. I'll be looking into alternative routes.

By Anonymous on Monday, June 19, 2000 - 03:27 pm: Edit

another Xfiles episode?

By Anonymous on Monday, June 19, 2000 - 04:25 pm: Edit

So Dennis tried djing the rocket again?

By Anonymous on Monday, June 19, 2000 - 05:14 pm: Edit

Margi the manager!

By Jeff (Jeff) on Monday, June 19, 2000 - 05:42 pm: Edit

Shawn, it appears to me that the "anonymous" post is turning into a
license to "sucker punch". There's no accountability or courage
required. Some people will say and do some pretty cruel and stupid
things while wearing a mask. It would be nice if our forum required
that participants idenitfy themselves. Who came up with the idea of the
anonymous post anyway?

Jeff Eldridge

By Jane Hance on Monday, June 19, 2000 - 09:51 pm: Edit

Hmmm. So, Jeff, it's apparent that you really are new to this forum. This issue was discussed and Shawn tried some stuff several months back. It didn't work. You should read back a ways, it's all rather interresting, actually.

Jane

By Shawn Hanna on Monday, June 19, 2000 - 10:19 pm: Edit

I'm sorry Jeff. The devoted can always get past any block I put in place to prevent anon. posting. I suppose I could write something to ensure valid email addresses, but then people would just make up hotmail accounts. I could check IPs, but then people ask friends to post for them or go to different machines. I could approve posting membership but then I would have to personally verify every person. The best thing to do is ignore it.

(We also don't want to behave like the House on Un-American Activities to point fingers at people who we think are posting certain messages.)

So smile, my friend, it's all a poor attempt at humor. Take it as no more than that.

By Anonymous on Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 08:51 am: Edit

anon posters are either ron or shawn or dennis

By Anonymous on Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 09:31 am: Edit

no they arent

By Anonymous on Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 10:30 am: Edit

yes we are

By Ron on Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 10:31 am: Edit

You say all that, Shawn, but when you had anonymous turned off, and IP addresses turned on, nasty posts went way down. It did work to improve the quality level of the postings.

By Twirly on Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 10:40 am: Edit

Yes, Shawn, I also think it was a lot better when you had the IP addresses turned on. I think we had a lot less of the annoying anon posts anyway.

By James Moore on Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 10:45 am: Edit

I agree. While it's not a perfect system, turning on IP logging and turning off the anonymous checkbox is certainly a lot better than what we've got now.

The easy way to do authentication of email addresses is to mail people passwords for new accounts. Still doesn't do anything to prevent creation of Hotmail accounts to post anonymously, but makes people do one more thing. Frequently, that much thought prevents the kinds of posts we see too often.

By Dennis Hong on Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 11:03 am: Edit

For the record, I despise anonymous posters/posts and have NEVER posted anonymously (except in the Lindy Joe thread). In the past, I have used various pseudonyms to mock other people, but I always made my identity perfectly obvious. And as far as the somerandomguy posts, I had full intention of revealing myself eventually (no, I would not have been caught if I had chosen to remain in hiding--my outing was of my own free will). In any case, other than the variations of "somerandomguy," I have not posted as anyone other than Dennis Hong (Dennis) for at least the past 8 months.

I always stand behind my words. Do not dare to presume that I would ever post anonymous attacks against other people.

By Arthur on Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 11:14 am: Edit

Can't we all just die a slow, painful death? Getting along doesn't seem to be an option.

Arthur

By Ron on Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 12:45 pm: Edit

Oh Dennis, just chill.

By Reuben Brown on Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 12:50 pm: Edit

Oh Ron, grow a spine.

By Arthur on Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 12:53 pm: Edit

Oh people, just die.

How do unsubscribe to this thing?

By Dennis Hong on Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 12:54 pm: Edit

What is your freaking problem, Ron? I thought we had an agreement.

No, I will NOT chill. Because no, I do not appreciate getting lumped with spineless anonymous posters such as you.

By Shawn Hanna on Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 01:54 pm: Edit

Frankly, I got tired of playing the cat and mouse games with those who felt the need to slam me anonymously on the site. The whole game of executing a personal vendetta using different computers, friends, ip addresses, anonymizer and more was too annoying. I have given up. So if someone wants to post anonymously, so be it.

Nearly everybody I know who is using this message board is mature enough to not take a post personally. Or react in a way that encourages it.

So Ron, Susan and James, I trust you will ignore the occasional nonsense that shows up here. If I make money off the site someday, I'll add more robust features and see what that accomplishes.

By Dennis Hong on Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 02:30 pm: Edit

Shawn,

Since you're obviously talking about my posts, I might as well respond. You have everyone's IP's, so enabling anonymous posting just makes it easier for everyone except you to get attacked. With IP's not displayed, you can easily post an anonymous attack against me (such as you did recently). Of course, it's much harder for me to reciprocate because, as I've found, you would see my IP address, block it immediately, and even delete the message. Why don't you display IP's and even up the board for everyone?

Do you not see the irony of your own words, Shawn? I said what I said because of your anonymous posts. And now you're saying that you are annoyed when people post anonymously against you? At least I owned up to my posts. Why can't you?

I have a rule for you... it's a Golden one, you might have heard of it.

By Ron on Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 02:43 pm: Edit

He who has the gold makes the rules?

By Shawn Hanna on Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 03:02 pm: Edit

I have some sad news. You are in trouble if you feel better about yourself through the odd belief that I am responsible for personalized negative anonymous attacks. Aye Aye, Joseph?

I can sympathize with those who prefer to post without giving their name. People who do get attacked, emailed and harrased by the more contentious participants in our scene. I cannot think of any way to avoid that except allow people to comment without giving a name.

By Dennis Hong on Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 03:14 pm: Edit

No, this isn't about me feeling better about myself. If you are too chicken to own up to your anonymous posts, there's nothing I can do about that. I'm over it.

By Shawn Hanna on Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 03:19 pm: Edit

Let's hope that means no more posting to this message board.

By Anonymous on Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 03:20 pm: Edit

AMEN

(Yours truly, Shawn)

By Andy on Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 03:22 pm: Edit

RE aye, aye Joseph...

does that mean Dennis was that obnoxious, neanderthal Joe dude that was posting awhile back?

RE: i'm over it = no more posting:
don't count on it, Shawn. Dennis has had his official last post, um, shoot.. can't count that high without my calculator, i'm outta fingers and toes

By Dennis Hong on Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 03:24 pm: Edit

Post-script: you know you're just distorting the facts here. True, no one can attack an anonymous poster. But then again, it's usually the anonymous posters themselves who are doing the attacking. Aside from the personal disagreements between me and Ron, flame wars have always erupted because of anonymous attacks. In any case, if someone has something worthwhile to say, they should be willing to sign their name. Find me one anonymous post that contains valuable information and a willingness to engage in intelligent conversation, and I'll concede the benefits of enabling anonymous posting.

By Dennis Hong on Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 03:26 pm: Edit

Sorry, Andy, "I'm over it" does not mean no more posting. "I'm over it" means that I'm willing to let bygones be bygones unless someone dredges the issue up again.

By Dennis Hong on Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 03:28 pm: Edit

Oh, and regarding your question, Andy... no. Did you not read my first post today? Or do you just not believe me?

By Shawn Hanna on Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 04:05 pm: Edit

Andy, many have figured out how to beat the simplistic system for identifying posters. I've given up trying to figure out identities. I certainly would not want to accuse anybody falsely.

By Reuben Brown on Friday, June 23, 2000 - 03:07 pm: Edit

From Dennis:

"Blocking my IP now, eh, Shawn? Why are you so afraid of me? Scared of
more secrets leaking out? I told you I was over it. You're obviously
the
one holding a grudge, not me. Oh well. I anticipate you'll answer that
you're not afraid of me and that I'm just a pest who should be ignored.
Well, if I am just a pest, why don't you follow you're own advice
to
Jeff? You're telling everyone to ignore pointless unwarranted attacks.
Why can't you ignore my posts? Oh wait, that's right.... They're
not pointless and unwarranted. You're just spineless.

Well, it doesn't matter. I really don't have the time or energy to post
from other computers. I just wanted to take this chance to say goodbye
to
you all. I'm sure most of you are happy."

By Shawn Hanna on Friday, June 23, 2000 - 03:12 pm: Edit

Goodbye Dennis.

See Jeff, I can do something about it.

By Reuben Brown on Friday, June 23, 2000 - 04:04 pm: Edit

Jeff was talking about blocking annouymous posters, not people who can actually stand behind their words. Not that you would know anything about standing behind what you say and do. It's kinda tough to block your own self out, isn't it?

By Melbamoose on Friday, June 23, 2000 - 04:50 pm: Edit

Shawn, why'd you block Dennis?

By Shawn Hanna on Friday, June 23, 2000 - 06:25 pm: Edit

Reuben,

Assigning your name to mean-spirited, un-supportable, derogatory comments is hardly standing behind ones words.

I own this site. If I perceive somebody is behaving in a way that is detrimental to the positive contribution I try to make with swingOrama, I believe I have the right to try to stop it.

Furthermore, it is laughable to initiate behavior as Dennis did, then announce that he is over it and expect that his actions do not have any impact.

He promised not to post here again. That will only be a good thing for swingOrama and San Diego swing in general.

I realize as Dennis is your friend, I am sure you are well indoctrinated. So be it!

How does it go...

I'm over it

By Reuben Brown on Saturday, June 24, 2000 - 12:44 am: Edit

Is it hard to talk out of your ass with all that shit in the way?

By Melbamoose on Saturday, June 24, 2000 - 02:35 pm: Edit

Was Dennis alone really bringing down the SD scene? Honestly, that seems a bit overdramatic, don't you think??

By Kate on Sunday, June 25, 2000 - 10:08 am: Edit

To be fair, If you're gonna block Dennis, shouldn't you block Ron too? (It's nothing personal, I swear Ron, pleeeze don't hate me.....) but I really think that Dennis wasn't the only instigator in all the junk goin' on. Dennis may be a little more straight forward in his insults, but there were plenty of people throwing around petty little personal attacks.

*sigh* I'm going back to Yehoodi.

By Melbamoose on Sunday, June 25, 2000 - 05:59 pm: Edit

You know...Kate is a VERY smart girl. She brings extremely wise points to this board. Come back from Yehoodi Kate, we need more of you on this forum.
Word up to Kate as well! You rock!
~Krista

By Melbamoose on Monday, June 26, 2000 - 11:24 am: Edit

Kate, I think that Dennis was banned because of the things he was saying about Shawn. Not, because of the wars between him and Ron. Dennis told me about Shawn actually admitting to enjoying the tirades on Ron. Don't we all??

By Dennis Hong on Monday, June 26, 2000 - 12:34 pm: Edit

Tee hee....

By Melbamoose on Monday, June 26, 2000 - 06:08 pm: Edit

Uh-oh! Look who beat the system again...

By Ron on Tuesday, June 27, 2000 - 10:18 am: Edit

Of course its personal, Kate.

By Melbamoose on Tuesday, June 27, 2000 - 12:19 pm: Edit

are you kidding, Ron?

By Ron on Tuesday, June 27, 2000 - 02:21 pm: Edit

When someone compares my posts to Dennis' posts and implies that I should be blocked as well, I consider that a pretty strong insult. So of course I'm going to take it personally. But I'm not going to get that excited about it and start posting 100 line rebuttals...

By Dennis Hong on Tuesday, June 27, 2000 - 02:34 pm: Edit

My posts are 100 lines long on your computer, Ron? Yeesh, did falling stocks force Qualcomm to downgrade to Gameboy-sized monitors?

Hey Shawn, did you forget to block this IP? Oh, wait, you sure didn't. Go figure....

By Gabe on Tuesday, June 27, 2000 - 02:49 pm: Edit

www.blockorama.com

stay tuned next week for more exciting soap-opera episodes at complain-orama.com when Dennis and Ron retell their harrowing experience of doing a one-night stand at the Apollo.

By Dennis Hong on Tuesday, June 27, 2000 - 02:52 pm: Edit

Hey Ron, what's more insulting? A lengthy (and signed) explanation of the reasons the comments are being made? Or an anonymous one-line jab?

By Ron on Tuesday, June 27, 2000 - 03:06 pm: Edit

Ooops, sorry, everyone, I set him off again! At least he's getting shorter! (and before your paranoic mind kicks in again, no, Dennis, that is not a comment on your height)

By Andy on Tuesday, June 27, 2000 - 03:13 pm: Edit

...Or an anonymous one-line jab?....

or a pseudonym-ous 48 line jab (we have bigger monitors at work)!?

Every time I watch Jerry Springer, I say to myself, "where to they get these people" and "people don't really act this way!"... well, now I know, and I stand corrected! hee heeeeeee

By Dennis Hong on Tuesday, June 27, 2000 - 03:13 pm: Edit

Nahhh... I try to keep myself to one enemy at a time. Lucky you, eh?

By Dennis Hong on Tuesday, June 27, 2000 - 03:20 pm: Edit

I don't consider them jabs if I'm presenting facts. Whether or not you believe them is another matter. After all, my comments were not untrue... only "un-supportable," as Shawn called them. Hahaha.

And I already explained why I used the pseudonym.

Tee hee, I think Shawn will be boosting his security measures real soon....

By Peanutbritt on Tuesday, June 27, 2000 - 04:55 pm: Edit

*sigh*

It's times like these that I wish men still dueled or jousted or something.

By Andy on Tuesday, June 27, 2000 - 05:03 pm: Edit

or were fed to lions...

By Melbamoose on Wednesday, June 28, 2000 - 01:30 am: Edit

I miss you Britt! (sorry about spelling...)
~Krista

By HopMichael on Wednesday, June 28, 2000 - 12:36 pm: Edit

Brit: LOL!

By Andy on Thursday, July 06, 2000 - 04:43 pm: Edit

Is anyone out there (or does anyone know) a lawyer with experience in contractural law, specifically oral contracts and promissory estoppel? if so, drop me a line @ goodena@hotmail.com

By Shawn Hanna on Thursday, July 06, 2000 - 04:45 pm: Edit

BUSTED!

By Andy on Thursday, July 06, 2000 - 05:29 pm: Edit

yeah, but I'm the plaintiff. whew.

By Ron on Thursday, July 06, 2000 - 05:30 pm: Edit

estoppel is a real word?

By Andy on Thursday, July 06, 2000 - 05:43 pm: Edit

You betcha, buddy. Don't question me, man, I'll sue your ass too! (just kiddin ~8^)

By Shawn Hanna on Thursday, July 06, 2000 - 05:43 pm: Edit

Hey, I wrote a little script that grabs the headlines from the news thread and puts it on the home page. It is the first headline from each conversation (not each new message). Seems to work pretty well. Let's see if it avoids the abuse this forum has received of late as it may prove to be a valuable resource.

Enjoy.

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