Learning Disability

SwingOrama Forum: Lindy Hop: Learning Disability
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Ron on Wednesday, June 23, 1999 - 01:16 pm: Edit

I'm growing increasing frustrated at my inability both to learn new moves and to intregrate new moves that I have learned into my social dancing. Learning new moves is difficult for me, but I'm accepting of the fact that I'm probably below average for people who have been dancing and taking lessons as long as I have (1 yr, 5 months or so minus a 2 ½ mo break…)

I'm more frustrated by the fact that I can walk into a club with the intention to try something new I've learned, but when I get on the social floor, it flies out of my head. And I'm back to the same 15 moves. Worse, I can feel myself beginning to do those 15 moves in the same patterns, this one always follows that one. Boring. If the follows that I usually dance with aren't bored with me now, they soon will be. Hell, sometimes I bore myself. I suppose a lot of leads have a predictable set of moves, but you follows have it great, you can always switch leads to get a new set of 15 moves. I'm stuck with my set!

I was dancing last night at Buffalo Joe's to King's of Pleasure, definitely having fun, and at the end of the night, I realized that again, I'd done most of the same moves I've been doing for a year. I just recently learned tons of new stuff at Catalina and have integrated virtually none of it into my social dancing. Not to mention moves from the Steven Mitchell, David Dalmo, and Paul & Sharon workshops, and classes with Meeshi/Emily, and Jon/Margaret. I'm probably wasting my money taking all these classes, but I do enjoy them. And they do help, a bit, especially when I'm taught a move a second time.

I've tried practicing with a partner in my living room, and that's helped some, but less than I've hoped. I still forget, or maybe I remember for a day or two, or just with that partner. On another night, or with other partners, its back to the same 15 moves. For learning new moves, I've tried taking notes, and my Catalina notes are good, but still not good enough and the best notes in the world aren't going to help me remember under pressure. Maybe I just need lots more practice in my living room. And more privates.

Also, I know I should learn to be less self-critical. I think a lot of leads learn something new and even though they don't have it perfectly, they try it on the floor and eventually learn to lead it right. (Or Not!) But I think (I know) I'm pretty sensitive, and I don't like leading my partners poorly on the floor. I'm very aware of missed communication. So I'm hesistant to try it again when the first try went wrong. And that's assuming I even remembered to try the new move in the first place.

More alcohol isn't the answer. Alcohol helps turn off my self-critic, and sometimes I get more creative, but we all know what it does to the brain and memory. So my 1 or 2 a night is just fine. I don't dance any better at the Rocket with 0, by the way.

I love to dance, and usually I'm OK doing my same old stuff. I think my musicality has improved, at least, since I've moved here. That is some consolation. But I'm the type who likes to continuously improve, and I don't think I am. And so sometimes, at the end of the evening I feel a bit of a let-down, because it was the same old stuff. Hence my occasional days of frustration, like today. I enjoy a good challenge, but this is getting pretty annoying. It sounds silly, I know, because it isn't about learning new moves, but that's primarily what is frustrating me.

And then when I get down on my dancing, I'm less likely to ask the good follows to dance.. I don't want to bore them. Or I worry that I'll be so focused on trying to remember something that I'll forget to dance to the music and have fun, which happens to me. Sometimes I just want to give it up and go back to a hobby I can excel at. Like reading.

I'm not sure what my purpose is with this post, except to express frustration, because I doubt anyone has some magic solution to this. Maybe other leads can commiserate with me!

Thank you for letting me vent. Just tell me to lighten up...

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Swiveler on Wednesday, June 23, 1999 - 01:44 pm: Edit

Hang in there! I enjoy dancing with you. If someone is bored dancing with you, they are bored dancing with themselves. I know that no matter who I dance with I try to express myself as creatively as possible within the confines of the lead. So, I'm never bored. I would guess that most the follows that dance with you are not bored either.

We all hit walls. It's just the way this crazy dance goes. You reach a certain level and seem to plateau. The only way I know off a plateau is an insane amount of practice. Really pushing yourself and putting in the time. I know for David and I that's what we need. Some serious sweating and frustrating time. Sometimes it's good when you become so exhausted you think your mind is blown and then, Bam, it's like a break-through. The other thing that is helpful is to practice with someone that just took the same workshop with you, Ask her to call out the moves for you.

You can even do this in a group. When we were first going crazy for LA/H-style we would have four or six of us dancing and one of us would call out the moves. That made the leads have to search their brains to get it and keep on the beat with the other dancers. Plus it's fun and looks cool socially!!!

I think that's about all my advice I can think of. Ummm, you might also change music style or speeds, sometimes that will pull you out of a rut. For example if you listen to a lot of 50's Basie try some early Casa Loma Orchestra or some Western Swing like Bob Wills or Tex Williams. It will give you a different feel and you might discover something you've overlooked. Or it might inspire that new move you just learned.

Don't you think some moves/footwork go better with some songs than others? I do.

Oh, I just thought of another idea (see I guess I wasn't done after all). Try taking the 15 moves you know really well and changing them, modifying them, creating your own steps. That will help your dance esteem. That's what we've done for years. Make it YOUR dance! OWN it, baby, you can do it!!

Okay, well that's my take. Hope that helps. I'll dance with ya anytime!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Dennis Hong on Wednesday, June 23, 1999 - 02:08 pm: Edit

Hey Ron,

I sympathize with you. I, too, have felt the frustration that you speak of. Here's what I do when that happens. (I'm not saying that this is the sure-fire way to cure frustration, but it worked for me, so I'm sharing it. So there.)

And, here's where I reveal my anality....

Anytime I learn a new move that I just know I'm going to forget, I add it to a growing list I have on my computer. And once in awhile, I go back and check up on it. Of course, describing some of these patterns is a challenge in itself, especially if I don't know if it has a name. In any case, if I'm just trying to pound some new moves into my head, I'll put together a 12-16 bar mini-routine, write it down in a cheat sheet if I have to, then pull that a few times on the dance floor. Eventually, the individual moves will sink in, and then I can work on breaking down the pattern, and putting the bits and pieces in where they would fit with the music. Thus, instead of having a list of "new" moves to do, I have only the big pattern to remember, and it actually ends up being easier.

As for the fear factor, and being reluctant to try new moves, here's what I do. I ask a beginning dancer to dance. That way, if I screw up, she'll think I pulled something really cool, but she wasn't good enough to pick it up and so, SHE was the one that messed up royally! Then I can frown at her, wave my finger up and down, and say, "tsk tsk, you need to work on your following skills."

(Okay, I know how many misunderstandings have occurred on this board, so if wasn't completely obvious, I'll clarify now that that last comment was TOTALLY sarcastic. Yes, I know. If anything goes wrong, it's ALWAYS the lead's fault.)

Anyhoo, I guess I don't know what to do about the fear factor. I've felt it, too, and am only glad that I have a few close friends whom I can dance with and not feel awkward if I try something new and make a complete jackass of myself.

So anyway, that's about all I have to say. I figured I'd just share my thoughts, and actually post a message related to dancing this time. (After Charlie and I spent a good hour or so discussing AIDS at Papa Jack's on Sunday night, I've concluded that from now on, if I go out to dance, I'm going out to dance. No work-related talk on the dancefloor. Glad to finally meet you, though, Charlie.) So Ron, if you decide to try my idea, let me know how it goes. Hope to see everyone at Catamaran tonight.

-Dennis

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Ian (Ian) on Wednesday, June 23, 1999 - 02:14 pm: Edit

I too used to be frustrated by the move thing. I decided not to worry about new moves. I've realized that most "workshop" moves are choreography for you and your partner, if there is actually room on the floor to apply them. Socially they are useless and appear to just be a way of keeping the teachers in business. I only know ten moves, but have always recieved compliments so I stopped being frustrated.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Swiveler on Wednesday, June 23, 1999 - 02:23 pm: Edit

Ummm, er, Ian there, what the hell are you talking about? Teachers teach in patterns to help you remember, (like the way Dennis puts his cheat sheets together, it's very effective)! I would agree that just because you know and can execute 48 moves does not mean your a good dancer, but I have to disagree with your statement.

At every workshop I have taken I have found at least one thing that "sticks." Or better yet I have been inspired to be creative and take the move taught and change it.

And "actaully having room on the dance floor" is up to you. You can make a move smaller and make it fit, or again change it and make it fit the social dance floor.

Sorry Ian, you know I love ya, but I gotta disagree with you on this one!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Ian (Ian) on Wednesday, June 23, 1999 - 02:45 pm: Edit

Oh keep your Preggy Hormones in Check

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By HopMichael on Wednesday, June 23, 1999 - 05:26 pm: Edit

Ron,

Don't be so hard on yourself! If you and your follow are having a good time grooving to the music, don't worry about having a dance filled with 100 different moves.

Still, I sympathize with you about learning new stuff and then trying it out on the social dance floor. Dennis and I must share the same anality b/c I also write down new moves taught to me--that same night if I can help it (it's amazing how fast my memory will let slip a move if a day goes by...) I'm sure every lead has his own notation so I won't give advice there.

Dennis, I like the idea of creating a pattern to remember the move in a context. Tammy, I like the idea of drilling the move socially.

What I've been doing is looking at how the move begins (open, closed, handshake, side-by-side position) and how it ends. Then when I'm out dancing socially and I want to try a new move, I'll get into that opening position and try it out. And then I'll try it again. And again! And with different follows (beginners to advanced, classmates and non-classmates) to see how they respond to the lead and see where I can make it more obvious and where I can let them go with it. By the end of the evening, every follow is sick of the move! But it becomes more routine for me and I worry less about footwork and awkwardness.

Then let the move lie fallow for a while and use it occasionally to jog your memory. Think about how it resembles other moves you already know (with the basic 15 moves, you probably have the basis for every move anyway!). Think about how the move looks and feels to both you and your follow. Think about how it would interact with musical phrases (better on broad loud passages, or fits well with quiet piano solos, blues or AABA patterns, etc.) Then start dancing it to the music. Start pulling it out when it just feels "right."

Then, as Tammy suggested, make it YOUR move by putting some styling into it.

Ain't dancin' fun?

Just my two bits in this thread,

HopMichael

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Ian (Ian) on Thursday, June 24, 1999 - 08:02 am: Edit

Does "its the motion of the ocean, not the size of the boat" apply here?? Motion being style, while size of the boat means number of moves in repetoire.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Chris Bowling on Thursday, June 24, 1999 - 11:28 pm: Edit

I agree with what has been posted here. I sometimes forget a move and realize it at the end of the night and ponder the reasons why I didn't use it. I believe it's b/c my mind didn't think the move fit with any of the music or that I wasn't in the mood to use it. Dance is such an improv off the music, the move you wanted to do just didn't fit it. I don't think doing a lot of moves makes you a better dancer. The important thing is how you do your moves. As Tammy says, "Make the moves yours." Take a few moves you enjoy and finesse the hell out of them. Syncopate them, try them with different variations, let your mind go wild! Dance is creative and to just stamp out one move after another has no soul.

I too went to Catalina and have on tape all of the moves from the classes I took. That is one way to remember the moves, and if you want a copy just talk to Mitchell he'll get you a copy for free!

The instructors, I think, choreograph a set of moves to a song. You can take the moves as they are and use them on the social dance floor, if the moves are leadable. An analogy: purchasing a Lego model and building it from the instructions given. You also can perceive the moves the instructors taught you as doors. They open up to reveal different ways of creating or executing moves. Instructors of any subject are usually innovators and/or researchers and are always trying to find different ways of doing things. An analogy: building the Lego model without following the instructions, and creating something new from the parts you have.

So perceive the moves you learn as not directions, but different ways of executing musicality through moves. Don't get stuck in doing what was taught, take what you have learned and make your own. Let your personality show through, express yourself through your moves and how you connect with your partner. Most of all, relax and have fun for this is a social dance, not competition!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Shadow_charlie (Shadow_charlie) on Friday, June 25, 1999 - 01:34 pm: Edit

Generally, I believe that most leads have somewhere between 10-20 moves that they have locked in and use routinely on a dance floor. Then depending on the music (no Charlestons to slow songs), the follow you're dancing with at the momment(that duck under might not work so well if you're over 6ft and your follow is under 4ft), and the lead's mood (pecking is great when you're in a mood to make goofy faces with it) they usually synchopate and stylize those moves and try to fit them into the music that is being played.

When it comes to leading a dance, I've always used the analogy of writing poetry. In poetry you tend to have two ends of a scale. On one end, Shakespearean sonnets & vilanelles and on the other free verse and pictographic. BOTH can be aesthetically pleasing and expressive, but in different ways.

A Shakespearean sonnet is poem with a FIXED form with rules that you must follow or it's not a sonnet. It must have 14 lines, the rhyme scheme is specific (The 1st line must rhyme with the 3rd line, 2nd line must rhyme with 4th line, it must end with the last two lines rhyming together as a “rhymed couplet”), and the verbal rhythm of each line of the sonnet must be in iambic pentameter, consisting of 5 accented syllables and 5 unaccented syllables. The rules may seem a bit extreme but that is the point. It's a challenging way of forcing the poet to find a way to use his vocabulary to fit these constraints. When I want to compose a sonnet, I usually do a bit of research on the subject and usually end up running across new words as well as new uses for words I already knew. It may seem constrictive, but this fosters ingenuity, technical command of language, as well as awareness of form. In relation to dancing, this extreme style of dancing would be like showcase choreography. Where the music and the dancers are carefully scrutinized and studied and every step, arm position, facial expression, and orientation on the floor is taken into consideration. I love watching choreographed dance performances, because you get to see the dance in ways that you would never see it at a club. And unless you and your partner have the power to think and physically react at the speed of light (it has to be faster than sound, which will be the music) and plan every contingent as the song unfolds; this style of dance is basically impossible to pull off.

Then we have free-verse, where the literal and symbolic meaning of the words, as well as the very sounds of the words themselves make up the guts of a verse. The form is completely at the discretion of the poet. It doesn’t have to rhyme. It doesn’t matter how long it is. It doesn’t even have to “make sense” in a literal way. Where in the other form you had to push yourself to find a way to say what you wanted to say under a strict set of rules, here the poet has carte blanche to say whatever however he/she pleases. At this end of the poetic spectrum, the very idiosynchracy of an individual contributes to a poem. Like in Lewis Carroll’s Jabberwocky the words are non-sensical and never existed in any dictionary in the world, except for Carroll’s. The style may seem limitless and abstract, but possesses the power of imagination. Where infinity is given a definition as high as the poet can dream. But as wonderful the notion of having infinite expressive power may be. What’s the point of expression if no one understands it except you? If you’re that self-centered; it won’t be a problem. On the dance floor this can be a very loose and wild interpretation of what we’ve come to call “playing.” This far out on the scale, unfortunately turns into movement that is so self-absorbed that it can leave your partner staring at your gyrations with a funny look on her face. Just as a free-form poem doesn’t have to resemble anything, neither does this style of dancing.

I believe everyone falls in somewhere between. Some indentifying and practicing more toward one end of the scale than the other. So how does this relate to Ron? I’ll tell you. One thing I hated to hear when I started dancing was “Just dance to the music.” “Just feel the music.” “Let the music guide you.” Man that would bug the shit out of me! That’s like if every time you were asking someone literally (as in what street to take) “How do you get to Carnegie Hall?” and they kept saying “A lot of practice.” It’s meaningless!

I needed specifics and it wasn’t until I started taking privates from Jamie, that I started to get them. When I asked Jamie how to hit a break, he didn’t say “By listening to the music.” He said, “How about like this, or this, or this, or that?” and proceeded to show me a mess load of “techniques” as well as MOVES that I could use to hit those breaks. Then he encouraged finding ways to customize them to my own likings to help me develop a style that I could claim as my own. Granted just moves won’t make a good dancer, but it is a vital component. And especially for people (like myself) who are not 2-3 year veterans and possess a natural sense of musicality, knowledge of jazz, and backgrounds in other forms of dance, the moves are a necessity to a certain extent. Moves are as Margret has said many a times your VOCABULARY. To use the poetic analogy. Before I start writing non-sensical, abstract, poems like Jabberwocky, I have to learn how to spell, compose a sentence, and learn some words to put into that sentence. Building a vocabulary is in poetry because it gives the poet more opportunity and power to do more with his poems. But at the same time, they are useless if he doesn’t learn how to use them properly. Before I start “playing” off some sax solo while trying to lead at the same time; I’m gonna work hard on getting my swing-in to look as sharp as Jamie’s. Andy, and the others’ll tell you when I was first starting, I was a Move Burglar/Fiend! I couldn’t get enough. I watched videoes that were copies of copies of copies. I pestered other dancers. Then somewhere along the lines, I realized I had to buckle down and refine my technique, and musicality. But I’m glad I took the time to learn those moves, because now I have more stuff to refine and play around with. I love cool, kick-ass moves.

Ron, if you want more moves, I say more power to you! Don’t feel guilty about it! New moves rule! They are soooo much fun! And as for the “same old moves,” I know exactly what you’re talking about. I was falling into the same old rut a few months ago. So this is what I did. It worked like a charm for me. I hope it helps.

I figured out the ones that I always did over and over and over. The ones my brain just can’t seem to escape (except the standard swing-out). Then I picked out the top five offenders and forbade myself from doing them. When I did this I found myself actively searching for something to fill that void. The secret to incorporating new moves isn’t concentrating on them before you go out on a floor. It’s concentrating on not using the ones you always use over and over.

The fear factor of new moves. Don’t take it seriously. When you think back, everytime you’ve messed up a move. The follow and you usually either laughed or shrugged it off. Hell half the fun of dancing is blowing a move completely and making something funny out of it. If you just do the new moves you’ve practiced (practicing them is a given), don’t worry about what other people will see or think. Hate to say it, but when you go to dance, no one is paying any attention to you on the dance floor. They’re too busy concentrating on their own dancing. Don’t try to do fifty new moves at once. I usually find or make up a new move/variation that I like and then I just keep doing it with everyone I dance with for about a week or two. After that many times of executing that move, it becomes one of your locked in moves. And viola! You now 11, 16, or 21; instead of 10, 15, or 20.

Here’s a mental exercise:

Picture a lemon in your mind. Now pretend that you’re describing that lemon to someone who’s never seen or heard of one. But without using the following words:

-small
-yellow
-fruit
-sour
-bitter
-oval


Now try to dance a song without:

-swing out w/ follow’s inside turn
-tuck turn from closed
-duck under
-swing-in (lindy circle)
-back charlestons

Just by not doing these moves (I think they’re ones that everybody uses over and over), I’ll bet you’ll find yourself doing all kinds of stuff you thought you had forgotten.


Man, did I ramble! I know it was long as hell, and remember. I am not a teacher. So everything I wrote was probably junk, but I hope it helps you, Ron or anyone else.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Shadow_charlie (Shadow_charlie) on Friday, June 25, 1999 - 01:59 pm: Edit

Hey wanted to break this post up over two parts. I figured it might help some people with slow loading times.

And now the reason why I brought up sonnets vs. free-verse. A lot of people seem to think musicality is just "playing" or gyrating while you're doing moves. Not true. Hearing a break coming and planning two moves ahead to get in a killer quick-stop or stomp off is also another form of "musicality." One is a structured form of musicality while the other is free-flowing. One pro-active, the other re-active. If you're a pro-active dancer, you're gonna need more moves. If you're a re-active dancer, you usually don't need as many, because you work more on synchopations, playing around, and stylizing.
Of course, if you're really, really good. You're both. But I think one of the biggest steps toward evolving as a dancer is finding out who you are and then figuring out what you are capable of. Do you really have the knack for both pro-active as well as re-active dancing? Do you just prefer one over the other?

Just some thoughts I had...
Charlie

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Ian (Ian) on Friday, June 25, 1999 - 02:48 pm: Edit

dammit charlie!!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By HopMichael on Friday, June 25, 1999 - 03:43 pm: Edit

Bravo, Charlie!

Always an eloquent insightful post!

Hmmm...Lindy Hop without those top five moves...boy, that would be almost unrecognizable! Still, food for thought...

I've noticed in this thread that but for Tammy, this has been a very lead-oriented discussion.

What do follows think about all this?

What do you do when you see a new move? Are you a sonnet or a free-verse follow? Are you basically reacting and waiting for clear leading? When you see an unfamiliar lead do you mirror or get frustrated and swivel in place? Or are you taking the move and going with it?

Are you anticipating breaks and planning a move ahead? How are you communicating with your lead? How can you suggest a lead? (is that even possible or impossible by definition?) What moves let you play off the music most?

Questions...questions...

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Ron on Saturday, June 26, 1999 - 05:49 pm: Edit

Charlie, I like that idea, of banning some of my over-used moves. That might be kind of fun to try. And good analogy with the poetry.

Tammy, yes, I guess I have hit what is called a wall. And you are right, lots of practice is a way to get thru it. And the idea of having people call out moves during a practice is intriguing. Not in a particular order, so you aren't remembering a routine, but have to drag it out of your memory at a moment's notice, like in social dancing. Can't remember? Look around, try to catch up.

Lots of other good ideas and things to ponder in these posts, thanks. Mini-routines might be good for me to try to get some moves into muscle-memory. But not long routines--I always forget them!

And again, I know that, "knowing a million moves a dancer good does not make" (guess who has seen Star Wars recently...) (.. can you picture Yoda doing the Lindy?) But hopefully I can add a couple more to my vocabulary, or take some of the ones I do and spice them up a bit. Stay tuned.

But don't look for me in the near-future, due to health reasons. But see you in a week or two.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Ron on Saturday, June 26, 1999 - 06:06 pm: Edit

But yes, lets hear from the follows more. Especially those who lurk and don't post. You don't have to write as eloquently as Charlie.

I wouldn't like to be a follow full-time. While you may be able to be creative within the confines of the leaders lead, I think what the lead does limits you quite a bit. So Tammy, while you may not ever get bored, being the amazingly positive person you are, I'm not convinced others don't get bored with mine or other's leads.

And a friend was telling me of a discussion with a group of followers.. it appears most of us leads always start each dance the same! I always start with two swingouts, someone else always does a swing out from closed followed by xxx, etc. .. every time! How predictable! And if they always lead the same set of 15 moves, that also sounds predictable and boring to me. To give myself a little credit, at least my 15 moves include a few that leave the follow lots of options if they choose to take them (few do). Some leaders just take their followers thru their move machine and then spit them out at the other end.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Stars and Stripes Forever on Monday, June 28, 1999 - 12:43 pm: Edit

Hey Ron,

Well, I just got back from Beantown..whatta camp! Most of what I'll write here has been touched on, but I learned some stuff at the camp, so I'll try to be brief...

1) Steven Mitchell brought up the "move junkie" topic and stressed, "less is more"

2) I watched him dance, and his vocabulary is huge, so what is "less" to him is "alot" to me! So, I agree with Charlie, learn lotsa moves.. practice them over and over so that they get into your muscle memory.

3) Michael and Maria from Sweden taught one very simple well known move done at least 4 different ways... so, your 10 moves can easily become 40 with very little effort. Catch me out dancing, I'll show you what we learned.

4) Many of you will remember my cheat sheet flow chart... man I used to catch shit for that thing.. but what it was: I listed all the moves I knew from, say, open position with her right hand in my right hand. Then, whenever I got into that position on the floor, I'd remember the possible list and pick one based on what "felt" right. I'd look thru the list at the end of the nite, and moves I didn't hit, I'd put in next time i danced

5) Try letting go, and not thinking at all! It's a very hard thing to do, and you'll end up shanking alot of stuff at first ( I do!).. but you may surprise yourself with what you come up with. Meeshi is a master at this (the "coming up with stuff", bit). This only works if you have stuff in muscle memory, cause you can take bits of moves and splice them together based on the music, and how bent outta shape you are from shanking the last move! ~8^)

7) Finally (for Dennis), one thing that was pointed out at camp... is that it's NOT always the leader's fault! You can have a follow that doesn't "follow" a cue (or have poor connection, frame, etc). So leader's, don't be soooo hard on yourselves! Just practice giving clear, smooth, gentle leads (something I'm working on). Now, if she biffs it, I definitely think the leader should always: a) be nice about it b) protect her from flying into a table, or someone else! c) try your dang-est to recover gracefully, trying to make her look as good as possible.

That's all! See you out dancing!
Hitman


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