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     By Andy on Thursday, June 29, 2000 - 02:38 pm: Edit |
Ok andy, breath deeply.... Lookie here brodie-pops, you don't have a clue what I look like when I dance to that stuff. Plus, since some of us can actually adapt our style to fit different types of music, I can assure you that the Propellerheads or Fat Boy Slim don't make ME want to move like a westie. Plus, irregardless of the steps, West Coast dancers have a distinctive style, just like HW/LA/Savoy dancers have a distinctive style. Sure, we can get into the debate of when you stop calling it Lindy... but, for me, i still call it lindy if you are doing lindy steps and a lindy basic, even if the music is not stricly-narrowly defined swing music and even if your style is not authentic LA/HW or authentic Savoy. Plus, what do you know, anyway? You're a goober. I don't think your pinhead is allowing oxygen to your brain. ~8^) hee hee |
| By Twirly on Thursday, June 29, 2000 - 03:04 pm: Edit |
I've danced with Andy to aaaalll kinds of music (including techno) Reuben, and I can tell you, there's not an ounce of westie in him anywhere! Andy's one of the funnest, most creative lindy dancers out there. Maybe *you* look like a westie dancing to "non-swing" stuff but he sure doesn't! |
| By Melbamoose on Thursday, June 29, 2000 - 03:11 pm: Edit |
Reuben and I looked like westies when we were dancing to Marvin Gaye... |
| By Reuben Brown on Thursday, June 29, 2000 - 03:30 pm: Edit |
So... maybe you don't look like Westies... but history is doomed to repeat itself. When the music changed, so did the dance. First it was Lindy into West Coast and Hustle. Now, it will be Lindy into ???? It may not be West Coast, but it sure as hell ain't going to be pretty what ever it is. And dear Andy, why all the hostilty and name calling? Yes, that was some beautiful Westing wasn't it Melba? |
| By Melbamoose on Thursday, June 29, 2000 - 03:34 pm: Edit |
Indeed it was! |
| By Andy on Thursday, June 29, 2000 - 03:57 pm: Edit |
It's that dang internet thingy robbing me of my animated presentation style....if you knew me personally (as in, in-person) you'd know there was zero hostility behind any of my posts. Sorry it didn't come across that way... that's a CRT fer ye. I mean, I'm serious about the core content of the posts, but the expressions and name-calling were purely in jest and to lighten the mood. Just as you always say, "relax, I'm just kidding!" |
| By Clodhopper on Thursday, June 29, 2000 - 07:25 pm: Edit |
Jeff You said "Ron, you're doing a great job. As someone said a few weeks back, people vote with their feet." -- Now if people only voted with their head! Danceable music does not equal quality. If you want to listen to good blues how come we don't hear John Lee Hooker, B.B. King and such? Clodhopper |
| By Ron on Thursday, June 29, 2000 - 09:11 pm: Edit |
Jeez, man, who are you? What's your point? I'm so tired of you people. Most John Lee Hooker and B.B. King doesn't swing at all, or enough for Lindy. Most of their slow stuff that I've heard so far doesn't make it into my slow blues pile, either. Famous does not equally danceable. |
| By John P. Cooper on Thursday, June 29, 2000 - 09:23 pm: Edit |
"When the music changed, so did the dance." Thank you, Reuben! I am glad that a dancer of your caliber has taken to championing theories I developed and promulgated only a few years ago. Sometimes it takes the discerning eye of a non-dancer to notice such things. |
| By Andy on Friday, June 30, 2000 - 09:18 am: Edit |
Whew... glad we have you scholarly fellows around to edjumicate us. What do you think about dance also being a reflection of society at that time... and current movements within society, dance, etc also influence people's interpretation of dance. Since jazz, lindy, etc are street/improv/interpretive dances, would you agree that even listening to the same exact music, it's plausible that lindy would be danced different today than it was then? |
| By Andy on Friday, June 30, 2000 - 09:20 am: Edit |
Hey Twirly! Thanks for the nice words about our dancing! I must say, you didn't look remotely westie (not that it's a bad thing) when you got that boutre shakin! ~;^) |
| By Reuben Brown on Friday, June 30, 2000 - 09:33 am: Edit |
"Since jazz, lindy, etc are street/improv/interpretive dances, would you agree that even listening to the same exact music, it's plausible that lindy would be danced different today than it was then?" Yes, of course, and the biggest example of this is called Modern Savoy. |
| By John P. Cooper on Friday, June 30, 2000 - 09:53 am: Edit |
andy~ were you addressing rooban or myself? I disagree with rooooban's facile reply. |
| By Jeff (Jeff) on Friday, June 30, 2000 - 10:00 am: Edit |
Andy, where have you been? I haven't seen ya in a while. I miss that nice modern savoy thing ya got goin' on. Excellent point, Rueben. Modern Savoy is a hybrid of swing and other dance forms, the result of our culture today. The great dancers like Steven Mitchell and Ryan Francois (or however ya spell it), and others, can imitate anybody: Dean Collins, Frankie Manning, and each other for that matter. But when they dance from the heart, the style that's their own, it's a hybrid. It's them. Not someone from 1940. I do love to watch "swing preservationists" who've copied all the videos. It's great. It's all good. You can live in an old house in Mission Hills or a new one in Scripps Ranch. If you're really rich, you can own both, and have the best of both worlds, as they say. From a dance point of view, I want both. I'm trying to imitate a few "historical" moves and I'm experimenting with new stuff. So what. |
| By Reuben Brown on Friday, June 30, 2000 - 10:00 am: Edit |
I was simple, yet right to the point my friend. |
| By John P. Cooper on Friday, June 30, 2000 - 10:10 am: Edit |
Yes, but too simplified, mi ameche! Please expound, as your simple answer leaves too much to simple interpretation already. |
| By Ian Campbell on Friday, June 30, 2000 - 10:27 am: Edit |
Can you guys take this off line until you say something that hasn't been said for at least 6 months. AS far as the FH, Meeshi palyed a great mix of swing, boogie, and early rock&roll. |
| By Reuben Brown on Friday, June 30, 2000 - 10:31 am: Edit |
"Swing Preservationists" who've just copied all the videos bore me. On the other hand those "Swing Preservations" who have based their dance on the original styles, but have at the same time made the dance their own rock my world. You know what I mean right? Those bad ass dancers who do things you've never seen on some clip from 1939, yet if you were to film them in grainy black and white you would think they were dancing straight out of '39. |
| By Chris on Friday, June 30, 2000 - 10:34 am: Edit |
Yes, Ian I agree. The FH was great last night. Meeshi really mixed it up! Thanks Meeshi. |
| By John P. Cooper on Friday, June 30, 2000 - 10:41 am: Edit |
Well, since I have never spoken on this subject on this forum before, how can you possibly know what I am going to say? If you want me to go to hell before I even say anything, okay, tell me to go to hell and I'll scram out of here. |
| By Natalie Roy on Friday, June 30, 2000 - 01:22 pm: Edit |
Chris, you post on a public forum. I post my response on the same public forum. You post, ON THE PUBLIC FORUM, that you are suprised that I didn't come and discuss it with you in person. Don't you see the irony! I don't believe I stated you were trying to divide the scene. Isela/Jittebug, my reaction wasn't to a single post, but to a multitude of posts over a period of time plus the whole "bombard the Firehouse" debarcle. Plus I think your paragraph to the DJs was more than condescending. Natalie |
| By HopMichael on Friday, June 30, 2000 - 01:32 pm: Edit |
Yet another great night of dancing at the Firehouse. Thank you Meeshi for listening to the dancers! |
| By Melbamoose on Friday, June 30, 2000 - 01:35 pm: Edit |
How was the dj paragraph condescending? |
| By Ron on Friday, June 30, 2000 - 01:53 pm: Edit |
Because Isela's post made the assumption that those of us who don't play a lot of big band haven't listened to enough of it to judge it, that we are afraid to play it, that we have preconceived notions about it not based on reality. Which are all untrue. But it was a pretty thoughtful, well-written post in general. Besides, I've discovered over the years, that everyone says the following about music they like: "If you only really listened to it, I'm sure you'd love xxx!!" (where xxx = Pearl Jam, Maria Carey or anything else) And everyone says the following about music they don't like: "All yyy sounds the same!" |
| By Natalie Roy on Friday, June 30, 2000 - 02:00 pm: Edit |
Yep Ron, you picked up on exactly the same bit as I did. Nat |
| By Jitterbug_1939 on Friday, June 30, 2000 - 02:40 pm: Edit |
To be condescending means to be proud or haughty or to refer to something/someone being lower than myself. I don't see how the paragraph is question can be considered any of those things. I was expressing an opinion only as many others on this board have done, including you Ron and Natalie. My opinion was that a lot of DJs (not just one) weren't trying hard enough anymore and that there is so much music that some don't even know about. And that a lot of people spend their time listening for music's danceability not its quality. I know people in general, not just the DJs, do have preconceived notions about music. And although you say thats not true Ron, you can only speak for yourself. If having an opinion and expressing it condescending, everyone on this message board is. |
| By Ron on Friday, June 30, 2000 - 03:22 pm: Edit |
Its such an imperfect medium... |
| By Chris on Friday, June 30, 2000 - 05:29 pm: Edit |
Natalie, You misunderstood my post and instead of trying to understand what I meant you jumped down my throat and ASSumed that I was trying to "Control the music at all the local dance venues, or thinking that I am above some of the dancers at the FH who love the mix and force them to change to my tastes." That was not only hostile, narrow minded, arrogant, and uncalled for but also presumptuous. I NEVER stated any of those things and I NEVER once implied that I was better than anyone else. I never personally attacked anyone regarding this discussion either. I stated an observation, something that I noticed, and when discussed with a few others I discovered that I was not alone in my thoughts. I figured someone of your intelligence would have clarified that your opinions were facts before assuming something completely off the wall. If you were commenting on a series of posts that occured over time; could you be more clear? Whose posts were they? What did they say? Who wrote them? It would have helped to understand your post if you did reference the posts you were referring to. Plus, it makes no sense to jump down my throat when you don't know me more than my appearance. We've never spoken in any type of situation other than "thank you for the dance." There's just no justified reason, that I can think of, why you should assume that you know what my intensions and origins of my thoughts are without asking me and discussing them with me. And unless you received the e-mail in question, which was verbally discussed between its intended recipients, you have no idea what it was all about. You are being extremely presumptuous and unjust. |
| By Melbamoose on Friday, June 30, 2000 - 06:25 pm: Edit |
If someone is making a general statement, and you don't fit the description, no need to get your panties all in a bunch... |
| By TopHat (Tophat) on Saturday, July 01, 2000 - 12:26 am: Edit |
You sure have a crazy bunch of people on your forum. I don't know if it's the summer heat or if you all just like to take your frustrations out on each other. You may just be kidding around, but you sure sound like a vicious dancing community. |
| By Anonymous on Saturday, July 01, 2000 - 01:09 am: Edit |
jitterbugs are morons. true then, true now. sad...but true. |
| By Peter (Peter) on Saturday, July 01, 2000 - 03:12 am: Edit |
hahahaha! Jitterbugs are Morons!--artie shaw--- Yea, Artie said that but keep in mind it was at the peak of his 39 Big band and while on stage the dancers were absolutly going crazy,during the show someone jumped off the balcony and broke his leg. Fans were outside writing all over his car and convertable top, the boucers would not let him go outside becasue of the Mob, and during a song dancers jumped up on stage and a girl got swung into his Clarinet which hit his mouth. Immediatly afterwards in the dressing room he was interveiwed and during the course was asked what did he think of Jitterbugs and he said "they were all Moron's". He later claimed ,it was due to the circumstances that night and that comment was totally taken out of context of the interveiw..... |
| By Homer (Homer) on Saturday, July 01, 2000 - 12:25 pm: Edit |
"You sure have a crazy bunch of people on your forum... You may just be kidding around, but you sure sound like a vicious dancing community." Tophat, I was thinking the same thing. SAN DIEGO CHILL OUT! Why don't y'all meet up in a dark alley and throw down. Get it over with! |
| By Reuben Brown on Monday, July 03, 2000 - 09:31 am: Edit |
So, has anyone had that sparkling grape jell-o that came out recently? Well, maybe it's been out for a while now, but it's damn good stuff. |
| By pony-tail on Monday, July 03, 2000 - 11:27 am: Edit |
*peeks in to the forum* same ole stuff going on here? |
| By Ron on Tuesday, July 04, 2000 - 11:33 am: Edit |
yeah, overreaction followed by overreaction. To outsiders it looks bad, but its not as bad as it looks. We have a great group of regulars, great instructors, venues, bands. It just happens to also include people with passionate opinions. I hope people don't assume too much reading these posts. |
| By Michele4 (Michele4) on Wednesday, July 05, 2000 - 07:59 pm: Edit |
This from a non-posting friend........ "I really gotta learn to control this dance compulsion thing. Perhaps SDA (Swing Dancers Anonamous), but we'll have an 8-step program instead of a 12-steps. First we'll admit our powerlessness to the allure of the jive, the boogie, and the Lindy Hop. Second, we must be brutally honest and admit to ourselves and one other human being that this uncontrolable compulsion is indeed a social disease. Third, we must seek out and make amends to every lead or follow that we've either stepped, kicked, elbowed, or bopped in the middle of their forehead. Fourth, we must volunteer to work overtime to make up for all those hours of lost productivity when we were secretly practicing our swing-out footwork under our desk, instead of paying attention to what was really going on. (Hmm, another preposition.) Fifth, demonstrate our honest willingness to change by cancelling that direct deposit to our dance instructor's bank account. Sixth, make an effort to blend in with the norms of the greater society by investing in new CD's by such artists as Brittany Spears, Backstreet Boys, and Christina Aguliar. Seventh, desensitise our ears to the swing rythem by listening to Rap Music. And Eight...mia culpa,mia culpa, mia culpa and realize with humble humility that the "devout knee" still remains attached to the fattened calf" LYRIC |
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