The New Cafe Savoy

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Lisa Conway (Lisaconway) on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 09:13 am: Edit

Pam was my original SDLHS partner in crime. She hasn't danced in years, probably since the Hanalei Hotel days.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By TheloniousMonkey (Alreet) on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 10:47 am: Edit

Oh my god. I totally forgot about Pam.

THAT takes me back.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Jeff (Jeff) on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 11:23 am: Edit

Hmmm...I don't remember her. Wow, the Hanalei Hotel. The "Bora Bora Room"
I believe it was called. Kinda like the "Cannibal Bar" at the Catamaran. I went there
on a Friday night in the summer of '97, after getting a flier for it put on my car window
at Tio Leo's the previous Thursday night. I remember the dance floor being jam packed
for your beginning Lindy lesson.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Spawn of Satan (Melbamoose) on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 01:26 pm: Edit

Random (Chance) on Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 01:40 pm: Edit

Krista,

Would you have come if the slogan didn't "exclude" you or are you just starting dialogue?

***
I don't know if I would have come, Chance. It doesn't make me want to go, that is for sure. I'm glad the dialogue was started, because it obviously has brought up some important concerns many people have had for some time now. I just asked the question right off the bat as soon as I saw it because I wasn't sure how to read it (the slogan). It being potentially exclusionary.
I will go on Friday, Sorry Ron.
I'm going because I wanted to see the new place and I wouldn't miss a chance to hear good music spun in SD, thank you Reuben.

Krista

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Shaolin Monkey (Yedancer) on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 02:15 pm: Edit

Well, I'm glad that you guys said something. We'll definitely have to do something about the slogan. See you on Friday, and don't forget to dance with me. Since I'm not DJing, I should have plenty of opportunities.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By ++NancyAnne++ (Nancyanne) on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 03:49 pm: Edit

I'm coming on Friday too....Hey who borrowed my flask last?

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Spawn of Satan (Melbamoose) on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 05:05 pm: Edit

I got your flask right here, Nancy!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Lisa Conway (Lisaconway) on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 05:15 pm: Edit

I thought I had it! Uh oh, I wonder who this belongs to then? Dennis????

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By ++NancyAnne++ (Nancyanne) on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 05:21 pm: Edit

Grrr, formatting

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By ++NancyAnne++ (Nancyanne) on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 05:24 pm: Edit

The "REAL MAN'S" dance flask
flask
The Anaconda drink tube and patented Bite-Me valve deliver precious liquor in copious amounts right where you need them, in your mouth, not on your dance partner.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Spawn of Satan (Melbamoose) on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 08:03 pm: Edit

hahahahaha!!! Rad.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Spawn of Satan (Melbamoose) on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 08:58 am: Edit

alright so, what's the floor like? Can I wear my sneakers? Is it just the one tiny room you can see on the webiste? Is it a limited capacity? Will they charge me $3 for a bottle of water?? What are the snacky snacks like?

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Jeff (Jeff) on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 09:42 am: Edit

It's a linoleum floor that's pretty slick. It feels pretty good overall, except
for one spot in the middle that has little bumps in it. Your sneakers will
be just right. It is a bit tight in there, and so, yes, capacity is limited. The
dance floor area is smaller than the original Cafe Savoy at Clayton's, but the
"lounge area", which is directly adjacent to the dance floor, is about the same
size as the dance floor. It's comfy, with cushy chairs and a couch, and even has
a pool table. They serve sodas and assorted drinks and teas. They do have water
for sale, but will give you glasses of ice water from the tap is you ask. The snacks
are muffin's, bagels, sandwiches, etc. There's also lots of tables and chairs out in
front of the cafe, as well as on the side, so there's a ton of outdoor seating for smoking
or cooling off. Btw, it gets hot in there. No air conditioning and not much ventilation.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Naked and reeking with panda love (Dennis) on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 10:20 am: Edit

Hmmm... I don't think so, Lisa. I'm more of a 2-liter bottle guy than a flask guy, anyway....

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By julius (Julius5) on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 11:18 am: Edit

Uhh, we're coming from LA and we'll probably arrive
somewhat later ... is there a chance we're gonna
be frozen out of the venue? That would suck!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Shaolin Monkey (Yedancer) on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 11:45 am: Edit

No, you'll be able to get in. Even on our opening night we still had room, so I'm sure you won't have any problem tonight.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Spawn of Satan (Melbamoose) on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 12:23 pm: Edit

Besides Julius, I'm sure the mere presence of the drunken evil trinity will keep some people away. Hopefully people like Ron. But we can only hope and pray!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By julius (Julius5) on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 01:28 pm: Edit

Now now, if you have nothing nice to say...

...say it on jive junction.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Spawn of Satan (Melbamoose) on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 04:05 pm: Edit

so true! But then this board gets so boring...

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Amy (Blueangel) on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 07:43 pm: Edit

AMEN (oops, guess not the right responce for ya Krista)

Can I get a 1yr old birthday dance? Pretty Please?!?!!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Gene (Gene) on Friday, September 06, 2002 - 08:33 pm: Edit

Hey Nancy, does my camelback count as a real man's dance flask? I'm going to have to drag that badboy out of the closet and give it a test run tonight. Now, I wonder what "fire water" I should be drinkin' tonight?(8^?)

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Shaolin Monkey (Yedancer) on Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 01:30 pm: Edit

Tons of new video clips are now up on our website. The new clips are from 2 weeks ago, when Reuben DJ'd, and from last friday, when Jesse DJ'd. Check 'em out.

Also, we're having trouble with the main page, so it hasn't been updated. Which means that no, Jesse Miner isn't DJ'ing twice in a row.

However, Friday Oct. 4th we'll be featuring Justin and Jenn from OC. That's not this Friday, but the Friday after that. DON'T MISS IT! They may be available for private lessons on Saturday, too. Contact me if you're interested: jeremy@cafesavoy.com.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Laurel (Laurel) on Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 08:53 pm: Edit

Okay, I finally checked out the updated website and I'd like to know if any other female out there is just a little bit irritated at the home page. What's with the cutesy girls? And with the much debated slogan at the top, Cafe Savoy sounds like a stinkin' men's club. Sorry, Meeshi and Jeremy but I just couldn't resist giving you a hard time about that! You need to post some hunky men pictures too, then I'll be happy. Could you find some photos of topless men and make it so the logo looks like a tattoo on the chest? Pleeease???

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Krista (Melbamoose) on Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 09:59 pm: Edit

yeah, I'm another female who's irritated, but what else is new? just glad to know it wasn't me that started it again this time...

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Krista (Melbamoose) on Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 10:00 pm: Edit

you tell 'em Laurel!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By TheloniousMonkey (Alreet) on Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 10:16 am: Edit

You know you've really messed up if Laurel is on your case.

Rob

PS Do you have a pink baby-T in Xtra-L?

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Ron (Ron) on Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 10:30 am: Edit

Yeah, the home page looks like an advertisment for the other kind of "swing" club....

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Krista (Melbamoose) on Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 10:33 am: Edit

who are those girls anyway? are they dancers?

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Melissa Varriano (Mel) on Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 10:39 am: Edit

no, i think they are models...who probably don't know they are on the front of cafesavoy.com!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Jeff (Jeff) on Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 11:52 am: Edit

I just checked it out. "Where real men come to swing"....???!!!
Talk about "Out of the frying pan and into the fire"!!!! Anything
but that!! Though the new line doesn't offend drinkers, it's still
exclusionary, and the reference to "men" only makes "swing"
appear to refer to something other than dancing.

How 'bout just "San Diego's Premier Weekend Lindy Hop Dance
Venue". Or something like it. Something generic. But the "men" thing
has got to go, in my opinion.

I'm sure Jeremy and Meeshi will figure something cool out eventually.
The site is developing nicely though.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Emeraldcat (Maya) on Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 12:01 pm: Edit

I'm not offended or anything, but at first look it feels like you gys should have bad porn music playing in the background. And where did you find the models? How come you didn't use real follows in the scene for the ad. I mean, we do have some very hot womens who dance, one of whom is your very own instructor. Just wondering. (I still can't believe you guys got sweet, un-angsty Laurel riled up. You tell 'em girl!) :)

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Laurel (Laurel) on Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 08:45 pm: Edit

Just some good-natured rib-poking at poor Meeshi and Jeremy who are doing so much for our scene! :~P But ya know, I don't think that home page will attract any cute girls to Cafe Savoy. Maybe some gay men (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Shaolin Monkey (Yedancer) on Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 11:12 pm: Edit

Maybe we should change the slogan to:

"Cafe Savoy: where persons, whether real or imagined, may or may not come to dance in a fashion which may or may not resemble 'swing' dancing. Note: said persons may or may not wish to drink before, during, or after dancing at Cafe Savoy. Any such action on their part will have no bearing on their merit as a person or a dancer, unless they want it to."

By the way, Laurel, we originally thought about having hunky, half-dressed guys bearing the Cafe Savoy logo, but then we realized that we were trying to ATTRACT college age guys, not repulse them. ;)

Ah, this sort of reminds me of the good old days when no one knew who I was.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Jeff (Jeff) on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 08:47 am: Edit

Or...just loose "the trying to make moral statement" slogan,
and get ideas from other cool swing dancing venue web
sites. So far this is my favorite. http://www.swingpit.com
It's very professional and inviting. Even if you skip the high
tech intro, the cover page is very well laid out. It tells you
everything ya need to know. No slogan. Nothing ambiguous.
Actually, as part of the intro they do have a "slogan". It's
"The Best Swing Dancing in Southern California". I think it's
wise they didn't say, "The Best Swing Dancing For Real Men
in Southern California". (I think I've mentioned this site before,
so sorry for repeating myself).

You could also hire Laurel to do your PR and creative writing.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Krista (Melbamoose) on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 10:25 am: Edit

you're only trying to attract college guys? are you trying to punish the girls in the scene with frat boys, or were you just interested in a purely male venue?
hehehehehe. it's so easy to criticize from my computer....

nothing but love! I had a great time dancing when Reuben came down. Have him again!

Krista

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Carli (Lvmycardiff) on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 10:41 am: Edit

I agree with Jeff...no slogan needed. I don't really have anything against the slogan now but it's not my favorite. Now if we could only change the name of the actual venue. When I told people to meet me at the "Hot Monkey Love Cafe" or whatever it is, I think they were a little skeptical. =)

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Random (Chance) on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 11:21 am: Edit

Jeff,

It could be said to be a bad slogan if it's not really the "best swing dancing" in Southern California. I've never been there, but I've never heard anyone (except the web site) tell me it's the best.

Just a thought.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Reuben Brown (Gurureuben) on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 11:41 am: Edit

Chance brings up something that always irks me about the way swing venues advertise themselves. Like his example of Swing Pit proclaiming to have the "best swing dancing"... best to whom? LindyGroove's website says it's "the ultimate swing venue." A big square room, canned music and no drinks is the ultimate? Is it so hard to just simply say what you are?

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By BAD KITTY on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 12:10 pm: Edit

"Dance in a fashion that may or may not resemble swing dancing" Finally a slogan that includes me!!!!! ;-)

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Shaolin Monkey (Yedancer) on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 12:15 pm: Edit

Maybe we should change the slogan to:

Cafe Savoy: The most politically correct swing dancing in Southern California

Or, considering this raging controversy over our "prejudicial" slogans, perhaps it should be

Cafe Savoy: The LEAST politically correct swing dancing in Southern California

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Melissa Varriano (Mel) on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 12:18 pm: Edit

why not just say something to the point, like...

cafe savoy: where people come to dance.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Jeff (Jeff) on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 12:18 pm: Edit

That's normal PR. Proclaiming to be the "best" or the
"ultimate" is pretty standard in self promotion. It simply
makes a statement about their opinion of themselves,
not anyone else.

Sherry, that's funny.

Mel, that's good.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Shaolin Monkey (Yedancer) on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 12:24 pm: Edit

Krista: "were you just interested in a purely male venue?"

Of course! You know how I prefer to dance with guys.

Also, for those who don't feel comfortable in proudly announcing, "Meet me at the HOT MONKEY LOVE CAFE," you can always say, "Meet me at the HML Cafe." If they ask what HML stands for, you can tell them they don't want to know, or that they'll find out when they get there.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By CatThyme (Valorie) on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 01:02 pm: Edit

"It could be said to be a bad slogan if it's not really the 'best swing dancing' in Southern California. I've never been there, but I've never heard anyone (except the web site) tell me it's the best."

Veracity has little to do with whether a slogan is a good slogan. A good slogan is catchy and gets people interested in checking something out.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By UCSDavid (Tearshedding) on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 02:41 pm: Edit

how about having something to do with the fact that you are in a coffee house???

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Ron (Ron) on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 03:15 pm: Edit

Well, if it just has to be a slogan that gets people interesting in checking it out, then how about:

"Cafe Savoy: where people go to swing dance naked"

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Meeshi (Meeshi) on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 03:19 pm: Edit

Alright, I changed the slogan, check it out. As for the girls, I DO know them...in my dreams!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Shaolin Monkey (Yedancer) on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 03:22 pm: Edit

Uh-oh. I wonder what comments this will generate....

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Ron (Ron) on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 07:48 pm: Edit

Actually, the one on the right looks a little like Emmy.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Emeraldcat (Maya) on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 09:50 pm: Edit

I'm a bit confused: Why is it called Hot Monkey Love Cafe when it is advertised as Cafe Savoy? Are they the same thing or is one name kind of a joke?

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Shaolin Monkey (Yedancer) on Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 10:00 pm: Edit

Cafe Savoy is the name of the swing night. It started at Clayton's Cafe, and then re-opened at Cafe Salotto. The owners of Cafe Salotto subsequently sold the cafe to new people, who re-named it the Hot Monkey Love Cafe. However, "Cafe Savoy" is what we are calling the Friday night swing event.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Krista (Melbamoose) on Friday, September 27, 2002 - 10:31 am: Edit

I can't comment on the new slogan cause I don't know what it means. Perhaps that's a good thing?

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By bad kitty on Friday, September 27, 2002 - 01:41 pm: Edit

Isn't there a song that says wild women don't get the blues? Sounds like a play on words.

Is the new slogan a guarantee that we'll get enough dances? And that those dances will be good ones?

:-)

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Lorien (Forest) on Friday, September 27, 2002 - 07:29 pm: Edit

I find the new slogan to be exclusionary to non-wild women.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By bad kitty on Monday, September 30, 2002 - 02:19 pm: Edit

As another non-wild woman, I must agree with Lorien.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Laurel (Laurel) on Monday, September 30, 2002 - 09:10 pm: Edit

Oh, gimme a break, Lorien and Bad Kitty! I know there are wild women hiding under those mild-mannered exteriors!
Sorry, Ron, that chick didn't look anything like Emmy!
I just can't think of a comment right now on the new slogan except that it's funny but new folks will just say "huh?" Heck, I think I said that too! At least you're using "real" people from our scene now!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Ron (Ron) on Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 10:03 am: Edit

Here's the link:
http://www.cafesavoy.com/main2.html

Cafe Savoy
Where wild women whistle while they dance!

That's pretty silly, Jeremy....!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Reuben Brown (Gurureuben) on Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 01:23 pm: Edit

wild?

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Jeff (Jeff) on Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 04:07 pm: Edit

The motto appears to be changing weekly. I
think it's kinda fun. So, if you don't like the motto,
wait a week.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By roobin on Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 10:42 pm: Edit

women?

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Emeraldcat (Maya) on Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 10:33 am: Edit

Cafe Savoy: Where sexy swing quintuplets are waiting to kiss you. Hahahaha. Cute pic Jeremy.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By bad kitty on Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 11:45 am: Edit

Laurel, when will we see the real wild woman under YOUR professional, innocent FACADE?? HMMMM???

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Laurel (Laurel) on Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 09:45 pm: Edit

Only special people can see that! Professional? Hah hah hah hahaha! Heh, yep, it's a facade.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Shaolin Monkey (Yedancer) on Thursday, October 03, 2002 - 12:18 pm: Edit

There's a few new pictures on the website from when Brian Chernicky was DJ'ing. You can find them here.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Shaolin Monkey (Yedancer) on Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 11:47 pm: Edit

I just wanted to let everyone know about our upcoming DJ's. Next Friday, Nov. 1, we have Ida Garcia, who hosts the saturday morning swing radio show on Jazz 88. The week after that, Nov. 8, Brian Abe will be returning to San Diego from his new/old home in LA. On Nov. 15, Reuben Brown will be making his second appearance as a guest DJ. Closing the month of November, on the 22nd, Lindy Groove's house DJ Tony Quach will be spinning for us.

What's happening this Friday? Check the forum tomorrow to find out (or visit our website, which is currently completely updated). If you'd like to receive this information in your e-mail, send a message to swing@cafesavoy.com and we'll add you to our mailing list.

See you on the floor!

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Lorien (Forest) on Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 09:56 am: Edit

I love Ida.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Yedancer on Saturday, January 11, 2003 - 01:48 am: Edit

Pictures from 1-10-03 with Tip West are up. I'm still learning how to use my new digital camera, so about 3/4 of my pictures did not come out. Here's the link to the pictures section. The album is kind of messed up, but I hope to fix that soon.

Our website is still a work in progress, and will hopefully improve more in the weeks to come.

Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message   By Yedancer (Yedancer) on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 10:57 am: Edit

Pictures from 1-24-03 with Rob Duncan are up on our site. Here's the link to the pictures section.

For those who didn't come, you totally missed out on Brian the BBQ guy scatting and singing over the groovy songs I played. It was great.


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